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This interview with Gordon Klingenschmitt appeared on The David Pakman Show on January 19, 2012.
David Pakman: Former Navy Chaplain Gordon Klingenschmitt is back on the show. He did a new straw poll analyzing the Republican candidates “among people who pray in Jesus’ name”, is the way that the straw poll is described, am I correct about that?
Gordon Klingenschmitt: Yes, we sent this to about 30,000 of our constituents, and we received about 853 voters, and the results were kind of surprising to me.
David: What were the results?
Klingenschmitt: Well, I was surprised, because I expected Newt Gingrich or Rick Perry to run away with this poll, but turns out that Rick Santorum was the overwhelming favorite of Evangelical Christian voters.
David: Yeah, I mean, I’m not surprised. We just spoke with the very anti-gay Bryan Fischer from the American Family Association, and he also said for him, really, the guy is Rick Santorum. And it seems that, I don’t know, it just seems like people who are anti-gay or really focus on the religious aspect when they look at a candidate, they seem to be favoring Santorum. I wasn’t surprised at all when I read your results.
Klingenschmitt: Well, it surprised me a little bit, especially since Mitt Romney only got 3% of our votes. So this was really a big landslide victory for Santorum in the Evangelical community compared to Mitt Romney.
David: Well, if you pray in Jesus’ name and you’re Evangelical, you probably are not into Mormonism, so I would think that’s probably a factor when we talk about Mitt Romney.
Klingenschmitt: Well, it’s not a factor for me. In fact, although I disagree with Mormons politic– excuse me, theologically, we have very much in common politically. In fact, I worked very closely with Mormons in 2008 when I was the chaplain to elect Alan Keyes for president. Over the last four years, my organization has worked very closely with Mormons to preserve the definition of marriage between one man and one woman, which may be ironic considering the Mormon history on that subject, but they’re very traditional, pro-family voters.
And I wrote an article on WorldNetDaily of 10 reasons Christians can never vote for Mitt Romney, and they had nothing to do with his Mormon faith.
David: No, well, I think, you know… I think people…
Klingenschmitt: He’s really outside of mainstream Evangelicals on values and the issues.
David: Certainly people on both sides of the political spectrum can find way more than 10 reasons without even touching Mormonism not to vote for Mitt Romney, so that’s not surprising.
Hey, the last time you were on the show, you talked about this lesbian exorcism you participated in. Do you still maintain that you successfully did a so-called “lesbian exorcism” on a woman?
Klingenschmitt: I would say the Holy Spirit did that, and I was in the room when it happened. I cooperate with the Spirit of God when he wants anyone to repent of any kind of sin. Of course, the person has to be volunteering to get rid of their sin.
David: Of course.
Klingenschmitt: But really, it’s more about falling in love with Jesus Christ. When Jesus moves into our hearts and takes over our lives, he removes from us and he forgives us of our sins, which is a tremendous hope, I think, for the homosexual community that there is cleansing and there is eternal life if you repent and come to Jesus Christ.
David: How… like what are the logistics of the exorcism? Like how long does it take? Are people wearing any kind of particular clothing? Is the woman clothed or naked? I just, I don’t… the logistics fascinate me.
Klingenschmitt: Please don’t insult me, David. There is really nothing mysterious about exorcism. It’s simply an act of repentance and allowing the Holy Spirit to come into your life. There’s no particular ritual for it, there’s simply renouncing your sins.
In fact, I could lead you, David, if you would be willing, to come to faith in Jesus Christ, to renounce your sins, and get the Devil out of your heart. You can do that anytime, and invite the spirit of Jesus Christ to move into your heart and rule your life.
David: Well, what are my sins?
Klingenschmitt: You haven’t confessed them to me. That’s part of the Sacrament of Penance. Most priests are very familiar with this. Anyone in the Roman Catholic faith would be familiar with this. But even as a Protestant chaplain, I would hear people confess their sins when they want to come to me for any kind of help, really.
A lot of people come in with a presenting problem, but then after talking it through, we find out there’s actually a moral problem behind their failure in life, and if they want to succeed morally, what they do is they renounce their sin, and they invite Jesus Christ to rule their lives.
David: And so the lesbian exorcism, you’ve done one of these, or more than one?
Klingenschmitt: I’ve done more than one exorcism. I’ve probably done 60 or 70 exorcisms. I’ve led hundreds of people to faith in Jesus Christ. You know, I really can’t go into the details of what everyone confesses to me.
David: No, it’s confidential.
Klingenschmitt: It’s very private, and the confessional booth is sacred. I would not reveal anything, except that the people that I have talked about have testified publicly, usually at their baptism, when they decide to get water baptized, they testify before a crowd of what sins they came out of, so I have no problem sharing that.
David: Right. But so there’s been more than one lesbian exorcism, I’m hearing from you?
Klingenschmitt: You know, offhand, I don’t keep statistics on that thing, but I have certainly prayed with more than one homosexual to renounce their sins and invite Jesus to rule their life.
David: And it’s been successful?
Klingenschmitt: Yes, I would say about half the time, that person does not return to their previous sins.
David: OK.
Klingenschmitt: Whether the sin is greed or adultery or heterosexual sin, lust and pornography, any of these things are things that Jesus wants to release us from and set us free. Why? So that we can live a moral life so that God can be our guide and we can reestablish Communion with our Heavenly Father.
David: And you don’t charge anybody for these lesbian exorcisms, right?
Klingenschmitt: No, I’ve never… good grief. I’ve had a nonprofit organization since 1999. I’ve never taken one dime of salary from that.
David: OK, just making sure. OK.
Klingenschmitt: And no, nobody’s ever charged for this.
David: Hey, you know, we’ve never really addressed, you kind of alluded, we’ve done two interviews with you, you’ve alluded to being removed from the Navy “for praying in Jesus’ name”, I think is the way that you stated it, but I did a little bit of research into that, and Evan Hurst over at Truth Wins Out sent over some information, and, you know, from the point of view of the Navy, it seems like it was just insubordination. You were showing up at political stuff in uniform, which you’re not supposed to do. There doesn’t seem to be any evidence at all that your religious views, or “praying in Jesus’ name”, as you say, was the reason you were kicked out. Why does the record conflict on that?
Klingenschmitt: Well, you haven’t seen my side of the record, obviously. You’ve not listened to the tape recording from my supervisor, Chaplain Norm Holcomb, who told me with his own words on the tape recording that I have on my website, www.PrayInJesusName.org, when he said, “Chaplain Klingenschmitt, will you go pray at this?” “Yes.” “Are you going to pray in Jesus’ name?” “Yes.” “You can’t go.” Policy…
David: But because you were in uniform, right? Holcomb said it was because you were in uniform.
Klingenschmitt: Holcomb said that, but he lied.
David: Oh.
Klingenschmitt: We have his voice on tape recording saying that if you pray in Jesus’ name, you can be punished. So he totally lied.
David: I see.
Klingenschmitt: We have that evidence posted on our website, www.PrayInJesusName.org.
David: Well, to kind of wrap up, I think that to look at kind of the bigger picture here, we do see, since the last time you were on the show, we’ve seen even more states legalize marriage equality, we have seen the military rescind Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell, we are seeing, fortunately, now, the rights when it comes to health insurance and visitation be extended to gay and lesbian couples, all things that seem like they will continue, so I think it’s very clear your side is going to lose this one. You’re going to end up being on the wrong side of history.
My question is, where will you go next? Will you go back to obsessing about abortion? Will you focus on preventing stem-cell research? Where will you go next after this one is lost?
Klingenschmitt: Well, thank you, I disagree with the premise that I’m on the wrong side of history, because God is the one who will ultimately judge the right and wrong at the end.
David: Right.
Klingenschmitt: And he will determine who was on the right side of history. And I’m very confident that I’m on the right side of history in God’s opinion, not in the opinion of the newsmakers like yourself, David, or the pro-homosexual media.
But in eternity, my concern, and my next concern, really, will be to save children. We’re working very hard right now on stopping the “Homosexual Classrooms Act”, which was introduced by Senator Al Franken of Minnesota, who is trying to recruit children into the homosexual lifestyle with mandatory classroom lectures, or else your public school loses funding.
And I have a question for you, David. If a homosexual recruits a child into that lifestyle, do they still get a toaster?
David: You know, I don’t know what you’re talking about. I’ve never seen anybody recruit homosexuals. I can’t imagine what that would even mean. You’re either born attracted to the opposite sex, as are most people, or, most species, some are attracted to the same sex. I can’t imagine what a recruitment would be. I can’t imagine how somebody would leave that attraction, either. I just don’t get it, I’ll be honest.
Klingenschmitt: Well, that was a quote from Ellen DeGeneres, the lesbian talk show host who said that if you recruit a lesbian into the lifestyle, you get a toaster. So she knows more about that than I do.
David: Sounds like it, yeah.
Klingenschmitt: But I do have a fact from the Kinsey Institute, who showed that the average age of homosexual first sexual experience is 12 or less, and the average age of heterosexual first sexual experience is 17 or older.
David: Yeah.
Klingenschmitt: So my question is, why are there pedophiles recruiting 12-year-olds into the homosexual movement through child molestation?
David: You know, anytime that you premise with Kinsey, I would hesitate to take it for its word, because so much of Kinsey’s work has already been discredited, you know, but we can… I think we’re going to have to leave that for another day. Former Navy Chaplain Gordon Klingenschmitt. The straw poll is happening. Praying In Jesus’ Name is happening. It’s all over at your website, which is, again, remind us?
Klingenschmitt: Our website is www.PrayInJesusName.org. Thank you, David, and God bless your listeners in Jesus’ name.
David: OK, thank you very much.